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Horst JENS
Horst JENS
is self-employed and teaches Python open source game programming for children in Vienna. Derek BREEN
Derek BREEN
is writing awesome programming booksamazon and currently travels the world creating computer programming curriculums and tv-shows. Horst and Derek share a toast
Horst and Derek share a toast.

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Episode 004 of the international open podcast: Horst JENS talks (via Google Hangout) with Derek BREEN about Scratch, teaching programming, license-tainted courseware, conferences and Derek's educational TV-Show in Moscow

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technical note: This podcast was recorded between two continents via Google Hangout on Air and has some static noise due to the used microphones.

  • 0:00:00 intro (Horst)
  • 0:00:17 greetings, introduction
  • 0:00:23 we are recording this podcast using Google Hangout Air. Time differences
  • 0:01:05 Derek talks about the production of intopenpodcast003 in Moscow. Plans for more Podcasts in Moscow. Finding recording-friendly restaurants, problems with background music and music industry
  • 0:03:00 How to pronounce "Moscow" correctly. Derek was 3 months in Moscow, studying Russian via free DuoLingo App.
  • 0:03:50 Tv-series "School of the future": Internet education television, Pilot was produced in Russia with Derek (talking English, translated in post-production). Huge target audience Moscow, also aimed at international audience.
  • 0:08:50 Curriculum: Open educational resources, creative-commons licensed, made with adaption/remixing by teachers in mind.
  • 0:10:00 Computer Lab / School situation in Russia. Elite vs. "every school" approach? Kids teaching in the Scratch workshops. Empowering kids to teach each other. Derek visited 3 schools, Macbooks in schools, no Desktop computer labs?
  • 0:12:50 No Linux in Moscow: Linux was no topic, Apple was stronger than Windows/PC in schools there.
  • 0:13:36 Derek is reviewing Linda Lukas computer book for children. Derek propose an Scratch project with Linda's artwork.
  • 0:14:50 Hour of code, code.org: big brands (Disney, StarWars) use Google blockly to teach Computer Science. No remix possibility? Scratch is better for remixing. Horst rants against license-tainted, non-free art and content in education material.
  • 0:16:50 Scratch having the same problems as Youtube: content industry demands removal of Scratch projects because copyright violations (music)
  • 0:17:30 Cartoon network scratch projects: not free licensed, but remixable within Scratch. Legal situation?
  • 0:20:40 Horst was in contact with Digital Champion meeting in Austria (in an European Community Building), being the only one speaking about creative commons and free licenses.
  • 0:22:08 How to get kids into coding? Horst prefers coding python in text mode, Derek favors vector graphics in Scratch.
  • 0:23:40 Real (computer) life cartoon charakters in Linda Lukas book: Tux, Firefox, Apple, Android. Linda's TED-Talk.
  • 0:24:00 Social Status gain of having a TED Talk. Derek is burnt out on Ted Talks and find them exhausting.
  • 0:25:36 But hip-hop-infused presentation by Bernard Hankins at TEDx Charlottesville, Virginia was awesome.
  • 0:27:20 Horst and Derek Conference visits.
  • 0:28:15 Derek will present at CESI Conference in Dublin.
  • 0:29:00 Horst makes pitch to listeners to host Derek (homeless wandering author).
  • 0:29:40 Further reflection on Maker Faire Rome
  • 0:30:30 Horst imagines giving a largely silent TED Talk.
  • 0:31:20 Virtues of short vs. long conference presentations.
  • 0:33:55 TeachMeets make presentations more democratic.
  • 0:35:30 Horst suggests Derek find an international (Russian?) bride to escape visa hassles.
  • 0:35:55 Derek vists exclusive Moscow restaurant (Central House of Writers), being wined and dined by Moscow's art elite.
  • 0:28:15 Derek mentions Russian documentary on pioneering aviator, "The People Who Made The Earth Round."
  • 0:42:15 Horst calls for submission of interviews for podcast and articles for International Open Magazine.
  • 0:44:20 Derek says Instapaper is great way to collate longer web articles.
  • 0:45:20 Horst invites social media helper(s).
  • 0:51:15 Derek reflects on his participation in Moscow Open Innovations Forum and Exposition.
  • 0:51:40 Discussion of media propoganda around delay in Syria peace talks.
  • 0:54:45 Derek describes Moscow "School of the Future" project.
  • 0:57:50 Idea of international STEAM camp exchange.
  • 1:03:00 Horst is soliciting/publishing older articles.
  • 1:03:20 Mourning/honoring artificial intelligence and educational technology titan Marvin Minsky.

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